am in the CNS program at ITT in Thornton, CO. I have read the complaints on
this site and have had many of the same issues that are listed.... Many of the
instructors that I have had were not qualified to teach the courses they had
been assigned. I had sent an email to my program chair stating that I was
unsatisfied with a few of my instructors, they're unqualified to teach these
classes and I wanted to know what was going to be done about this. Her response, "Well after
you graduate you can come back and retake the classes you were
unsatisfied with for free. Maybe then you will understand what the
instructors are teaching you." It wasn't me that was
having trouble understanding, it was the fact that the labs and the
equipment provided was out of date. I was in a Linux class and the labs
were written for Fedora 12, we were using Fedora 8. The instructor could
not get the labs to work either. Another issue I had was
when I started at ITT we were provided removable hard drives that could
only be used on campus. My third quarter the incoming students were
provided with USB portable hard drives. I wanted one of these drives and
was told I would have to buy my own. I stated that I was paying the same
price as the incoming students and it was only fair that I was provided
with the same technology! I went to my chair and her response, "No we
will not provide this for you. Think of it like this, when you buy a new
car it will come with more bells and whistles than earlier years,
sorry." I was very unsatisfied with ITT Tech. This includes a
lot of the instructors, the labs, and my chair. Don't get me wrong, I
had a few instructors that were great and very prepared, but they were
few and far between. ITT obviously doesn't care about
their students and thier eduaction. All in all I would not recommend ITT
I am a student at the
Portland OR campus and have been working for the past 2 years to graduate with
the Computer Drafting and Design program only to find out that the Bachelors
program that I initially wanted to be enrolled in was closing and they can't
promise that they will offer all the core classes needed to require because
there aren't enough students to hold a class.
There are about 15
students currently in the BS program including myself that may find out that the
$85,000.00 spent may be a waste because they won't offer these classes again.
I will promise to give
anyone who asks about ITT a VERY negative response; as they have not advanced my
career, only put me farther in debt!
I like your site and
hope to see more students standing up against ITT's bull****!
I graduated from ITT in
Dec '07 with a multimedia degree.
The multimedia program
listed web site design, which I was interested in. I ended up getting 2 classes
in Flash, and 1 class of HTML/Dreamweaver. The whole curriculum turned out to be
centered around video game design, sort of disguised as film making/editing.
The final project HAD to
be a MOVIE. This sort of curriculum is NOT conducive to finding a job in my
After I graduated, they
consistently sent me ads culled from newspapers (which I could do myself) for
jobs which I did not qualify. Website design was the biggest offering, but they
always wanted experience with ASP.net, XML, PHP, and a host of other
technologies I was not familiar with.
If I had been allowed to
create my final project they way I saw fit, I might have been able to get
something involving Flash. But the push was for a movie, in order to fit the
grading rubric, so all my energies were focused there.
Now I have a totally
I once got a call from a
recruiter who said they wanted to see my Flash portfolio. I was so embarrassed
to say I didn't learn enough about Flash at ITT, and that I didn't have one to
offer. What a disgrace.
I also should say that
I'm a mother of three kids, and 45 years old at the time I applied at ITT. I
graduated with honors. If someone wanted to be kind, maybe they just should have
taken me aside and told me that maybe I should look at other opportunities.
Because a 45 year old
mother of three, who hadn't worked since 1993, doesn't stand a chance with a
worthless 2 year degree from ITT.
Of course, all they care
about is the scam they have running with Sallie Mae.
From Web Master:
From what I've experienced; making your own self-study course using Wiley
Publishing's "For Dummy" series is the most cost effective way to learn
anything. I'm in no way associated with that publisher and receive nothing
to mention them. You could buy a computer, software and any of their books
on whatever you wish to study; it would cost a lot less and you'd actually learn
The following claims to be from a general education instructor.
The complaints from visitors to this site are mostly about the instructors and
courses relating to specific fields of education or upper administration
policies, not the general Ed departments.
This person basically says ITT is an expensive, for-profit, non-accredited
The complaints posted on this site go far beyond that; read the next posts
immediately after or the ones above as examples.
This person should speak with the students about their core classes to see what
they have to say and then report back to this site.
I'm a gen ed math
teacher at an ITT campus in Tennessee with nearly a decade of experience in
teaching at high schools and colleges and I wanted to make some comments and
refute some of the testimonials I have read here.
First, let me start by saying that if you are having a bad experience at your
school, I'm very sorry and I hope you find the help you need to make it better
before it is too late, or find a better place to go instead. No one is in
control of your destiny but yourself.
That being said, there is something that any responsible person should be aware
of BEFORE starting any program at any school:
1) Yes this is a school, but it is also a BUSINESS. Every school is. They want
either your money, your attendance, or your success because these things make
the school better and enable them to STAY in business. This is true for ALL
schools whether it is a public high school, ITT, or an accredited university.
I've seen ugly recruiting practices from Ivy League colleges too!
2) Yes, this is expensive. Guess what- all colleges are. Public colleges are
just as expensive, but they are subsidized with state and federal funds to
reduce costs. Taking out student loans isn't free money- you have to realize up
front that you BORROWING against your future and then act accordingly. If you
decide that you aren't getting what you want with this money at one school, then
PLEASE change to another.
3) Yes, you have to teach yourself a lot of stuff. That's part of being a
student ANYWHERE. The biggest complaint students make at every school I've ever
visited, attended, or taught is that the material is hard, the books are
confusing, and a lot of personal time has to be invested. This is a fact of
school. If you really want to get anything out of an education, you have to
study and you have to practice. Why is it that no one thinks it odd for a
football team to just practice football 3 hrs per day every day of the week, but
students refuse to put forth 1/2 as much time and effort for their classes?
4) No, these credits will probably not transfer anywhere else. It's not an
accredited school. They say so in every commercial. It's up to you to decide for
yourself if you want to attend a trade school or a common university. The upside
of a place like ITT is that it's smaller and they will work more with you to
make sure you finish faster and with more hands-on experience than doing a
similar program at a community college, and they're more forgiving of previous
educational experience. The problem with a CC or Univ is that if you don't test
at a certain level, you can't get it- or worse they let you in and make you take
several remedial classes, probably 20+ credit hours worth- all at full price and
NONE of those count toward a degree either. And then you can take the regular
courses. So in either case, if you're one of those students you are stuck paying
for something that's not worth anything anywhere else!
5) I don't know about any textbooks that are written by the school. That may be
something that has changed since I started here, or maybe because I only teach
gen ed courses, but all the texts I have seen are well-known texts written by
well-known authors and used in other institutions besides ITT.
I make a personal effort to teach to my students in a way that is meaningful to
them. Every instructor I have worked with so far seems genuine, interested in
their students' welfare, and qualified in their subjects. My students seem happy
and enjoy their time at school. I wish you all the same experience wherever you
choose to go to learn more- but please don't hesitate to learn more somewhere!
I enjoy how the "Game
Design" elements of my ITT Tech here in Henderson included a teacher making
everyone to create maps with Warcraft III's free map editor.
Also, all software we used and all material libraries were stolen and pirated.
In fact, the teachers both facilitated and encouraged all students to steal
copies of Photoshop, Adobe, 3ds Max, Maya (Though they did not teach this) and
others, including expensive MatLibs and Add-ons, to use in their class.
I can go on about many other teachers and many other issues...
I was (past tense) an
Instructor at this location [Thornton, Colorado] around the dates mentioned. I am not one of the
instructors listed but know, and worked with, most of them. I am not surprised
by any of the comments. I would generally agree with the instructor ranking
There are serious flaws in some of the educational practices of ITT. Good
instructors are often hamstrung by corporate policy. Curriculum and materials
had a massive implosion around 04-05. NIIT books were a nightmare for
instructors and students.
I wish you the best in recovering from this experience.
The financial recovery is what makes this such a tragedy for all of us who have
student loans with nothing to show for it.
I am getting ready to
graduate in sept.
I too had a very bad
experience with the programming classes. we taught ourselves and we all got b's.
I was fortunate enough
for 3 of my instructors: tommy fincannon server2003 and xp pro 2003, bruce webb
who taught me linux and active directory and dave stabenaw routers and switches.
My instructors were real world pros and knew what they were talking about so i
did learn a ton from them.
I still am having
trouble getting any decent job offers and i have a 3.71(charlotte campus)
I never went to ITT nor
do I ever plan to. This is a great website.
I will refer people to
this website if they think about going to ITT or other questionable trade
I believe all of these
comments are legitimate complaints and not sour-grape whining.
I feel sorry for all of
you who have been duped.
Best of luck in getting
I, too, have attended
ITT (Tampa) and found the lack of equipment (routers, switches, functional PCs,
etc.) to be absolutely infuriating. Instead, we are given "simulators" (software
based virtual devices) which cannot run 90% of the labs that we are given for
"practice". Even instructors cannot make these labs work and eventually just
resort to "skip that one".
I feel as if my $50,000
would have been much better spent at a community college (too late now!).
Hopefully I can make enough of this mess to get a toe in the door and learn from
REAL professionals who know how to do this.
As far as pay for jobs
from career services, I made more as a carpenter than 95% of the job offers that
ITT forwards to me! ITT is a total waste and should be taken off the market on
grounds of false advertising!!
Well what can I say
other than I find myself going through a lot of the same type of issue's in
their CNS program. At the same time what do you expect from a profit
Most colleges or schools
in general are non-profit: itt is all profit. The REPs promise you anything to
get you in the door because they make their money off how many seats they fill.
I am currently working
on my capstone project for CNS and am finding I do not know 1/2 of what I should
while being near the top of my class.
I guess what I am saying
is I wish I had never attended ITT.
ITT prides themselves on
hands on experience (I didn't think it was all that hands on with internet that
seemed slower than a 56k line).
I'm in the Computer
Electronics Engineering program and currently "enjoying" this "wonderful" ITT
(This is pure sarcasm)
I am having the same Issues:
~ Teach yourself classes
~ In all my Classes, most of us are either High or Drunk and we're still passing
with A's and B's
~ Almost all the qualified instructors are gone, the few that are left are not
as helpful as they should be or use to be.
Wallis is always playing games after theory nowadays. Most of the time he has an
auto-answer for you, "Your circuit is wrong." and he just walks away; that's
assuming he even bothers to come over to check it!
And all the new instructors have no idea what they are talking about. They're
reading out of the books, verbatim at some points, and they take so long to get
through the theory that we'll only have 1-2 hours before school closes to do our
~ Career Services is a Joke. Prior to getting our new advisor they required us
to email it to them, which is fine, but when you have a hard copy in your hand
they refuse to even look at it. That makes me mad. I never got any help the 17
times I walked in, even when they suggested the time to come to see them.
I ended up just using the career services website. Now, we have new staff
in there and you're lucky to catch them. Thankfully the website is up to date
now but if you need to talk to the career staff you end up needing an
A lot of us are doing what we can to learn all that we can from this place,
finishing our associates and getting outta here. We all have found other
schools that will at least take a few of our credits that are less expensive
with better curriculum.
If you have any other choice than going to ITT for god sakes take it!
Go to www.ABET.org
If it isn't properly accredited it's not on there.
From Web Master:
is sad to hear Mr. Wallis has changed. During my time there he was one of
the better ones: honestly, he's the only reason I stayed. I learned a lot
This just shows how ITT can ruin a person.
As a former instructor
at ITT-Troy, I felt embarrassed to associate myself with such a slimy outfit.
It is school policy to
be deceptive and immoral. Every instructor actually has a quota of students
that are expected to pass and attendance percentage.
If a student was too
stoned or was in jail on a felony charge to show up for class, it was a
reflection on my inability to get them to come to class to "learn".
I taught Microecon and after 11 weeks, students couldn't even draw a
About 95% of the student
body reads and writes at a 3rd grade level.
ITT figures anyone
gullible/stupid enough to fall for their slick commercials is an easy mark once
they come through the door.
Shame on everyone who works for that place. You are all complicit in robbing
weak-minded people for promises you can never deliver.
I quit after one term
because I was so disgusted.
I agree with you.
I go to itt tech west
houston at gessner and on my last quarter this school is a joke; waste of money
for not being able to transfer credits.
I want to thank you for
this website. I was considering a position with them but was a little
Now after reading these
comments, some of which were employees, I have made the decision to decline the
I cannot rob young
people of money, time and their opportunities.
I'd like to hear why you were reluctant.
Though they may not have the prestige, local community
colleges pay instructors about the same, charge students far less and provide
better "protection" for students and faculty rights (in my experience) .
Check out the BBB Code of Business Practices.
If ITT did not live up to this, file a
If you contact the BBB, post your experience here.
I have been surfing the
web looking for others that are or did have problems with ITT Tech.
I finished my associated
in CNS (Networking) in November 2009 and they held the graduation at the end of
During the last year of
classes at ITT I kept telling myself that this school is a joke, I am not
learning anything. They need more hands on training and not so much class
work, and they need more Networking classes and less English, Math, and so on.
I have my degree but I
feel dumber then rocks. I can tear a computer apart and put it back together but
ask me what is going on with your network and why you can't get connected and my
mind goes blank and that makes me feel worse because I should be able to
troubleshoot the problem and give you an answer.
I also attended ITT
Tech. Thank you for having this website.
I also owe a tremendous
amount of money to ITT Tech. I really feel ripped: upon registration I signed
for $36,000 and upon leaving they wanted me to sign a paper stating I owed
$56,000 after two years. How can that be???
I did not sign and they
said they wouldn't give me the degree without signing this. I got my degree and
after I got the bill for $56,000 I couldn't believe it!!
Can you please email me
I have a few questions for you I am thinking about suing as well and reporting
them to BBB. Thanks.
Please feel free to post your questions in this public forum: you will remain
anonymous and I'm sure the Q & A would be helpful to others.
Everyone should contact the BBB. Even if they don't
resolve the problem, they tally up the complaints and that alone lowers ITT's
standings in the BBB ratings.
ITT Tech does NOT care
about you, just your money! Ask former students like me. I paid a big tuition
but had nothing but a big dept when I left.
I went to a public
school and got treated a 1000% better!!
Public Schools & Community Colleges, in my experience, are much better and far
ITT Tech is a JOKE!!
They are slick talking,
make you feel like their school is the best, and offer all these great
opportunities. But here's what they really have to offer: $400 a credit hour.
That's over $36,000 for an associate or $72,000 for a bachelor degree. This is
why they don't publish their tuition costs on line. You have to go to them
in person just so they can con you in to going there.
If you are thinking
about going you need to keep in mind what you will be getting into. Look into
ANY financial investment before you buy. You would not buy a car before you
test drive it. The only way to find out about ITT Tech is not trying out the
school and then stay or move on to another school, but read like you are now.
You will find that ITT
Tech rips people off right and left 24 hours a day and seven days a week. The
evidence is there, you just need to believe all the former students.
I went to ITT for the
program CEET (Computer and Electronics Engineering Technology) in Dayton, Ohio.
I graduated and got my degree but I have had issues finding jobs.
I've had some people
tell me that they wouldn't even hire ITT students because of how bad of a school
I went through temp
agencies and keep getting told I don't have the experience they are looking for
and I would bet it actually has to do with ITT.
The teachers at my
school didn't know what they where talking about except the math and science
teachers, but what good does those classes do when you need electronic
They had some teachers
teaching classes they didn't even know what they where teaching because they
where doing "restructuring".
ITT is an expensive
Now, between me and my
mom, we are over $40,000 in debt (after interest).
If there was a way I
could sue them I would. I wouldn't want anything extra, just to not pay what I
still owe and to get back what I have paid to pay for a better education
If you read this, then
don't make the same mistake I did. DON'T go to ITT.
Your website is
awesome. I wish I would have done a little investigating before starting at ITT
I've attended three
quarters so far and I must say I am seeing a trend. I totally agree with all of
your comments and facts.
I'm calling it quits now
with ITT. I'm going to pursue my degree elsewhere.
Thank you so much for
My husband was applying
to ITT Tech and had orientation on the 27th of this month. After finding all of
the negative feedback on this school (if you can call it that) he called to tell
them he decided to go to a community college.
They seemed to have
turned into used car salesmen at that point doing their best to get him to come
Thank goodness he is
stubborn as a mule and as nicely as possible told them to stick it.
Hope you have found a
school that can help you attain your goals.
I had attended ITT tech
for approximately 1 year and then looked around and realized I was around a
bunch of idiots, who seemed to be passing with honors but couldn't speak with
After signing out I noticed that they had withdrawn a private loan from me in
the amount of $9,500 without my permission.
Also when filling out the FASFA they were on the computer handling that and
controlled my pin. I now know that it is illegal for them to do that.
I would love nothing
more than to sue ITT Tech for the theft that caused me.
I am getting close to my
graduation from high school, and I was just checking out some colleges to
possibly attend, and guess what, ITT tech. was at the peak of my list.
I think this is a very
informative site and more people should know about it. I mean, I thought i was
going to attend this school for as long as possible... i now realize what an
idiot i would have been (no offense).
I give this site 5 stars
out of 5!
Here is our experience
It first starts with the financial aid people, they constantly were getting info
wrong on my FAFSA, and my tax info. I was in the office at least 20 times
within the first year of being there. I do my own FAFSA every year, and she
would go in and try to change info on my papers and have to start the whole
process over again. That should have been my first clue to get the hell out of
We are in the CDD (Drafting and Design) program in Michigan. Some of the
teachers have been great at what they teach. But then there have been a few
that have no clue. All the beginner CAD classes went great, a few of the GE
classes, like Microeconomics. The teacher for microeconomics was a good guy but
I don't think that he was very organized for the class. We would have tests on
materials that we did not even cover yet because he had to follow the syllabus,
if it said we were to have a quiz, we took it no matter what.
Our Civil drafting and
3D modeling instructor was the same and he had absolutely no clue what he was
doing. We had caught him numerous times with the "help" screen up to see what
to do when we came back from break. In the civil class we did not even use the
software until week 9 of the 11 week course. I was looking to go into the civil
engineering field. But after that experience I have chosen a different path.
Why go into something that you have no clue about...
And then the chairperson for our program, barley did anything for us if had
issues. I think that she had a deal with some of the teachers. We expressed
our issues with her and she sat in on the class one day. Her opinion was that
she would teach the class the same way and we just were not cooperating with him
to get the information we were looking for. The next issue that we expressed to
her was that we wanted to take a class at the learning site, witch we drove past
to get to the main campus. She said that she could not create a class at the
other campus for just a few students. 6 out of 10 students lived closer to the
learning site and that all she had to do was talk to the registrar and get it
done. I talked to the Associate Dean about the situation and got it done by the
I really lost faith in ITT about midway through my time here, I only have 8
weeks til graduation and cannot wait to get out of here. And I am saying here
because I am typing this at the ITT computer lab.
ITT TECH is the nastiest
school on earth!!!!
ITT TECH is run by used car salesmen and the most horrible management practices,
most immoral and unethical they violate state and federal laws but they have the
best lawyers on payroll (will get them out of any Contravention most of the
I filed complaints with
the attorney general, State of California Department of Consumer Affairs and the
Better Business Bureau and they both told me they couldn't do anything.
I filed complaints with the City Officials and after investigating they found no
fault with ITT TECH.
ITT is surely paying off
any and every agency that could get them in troubles.
Who would have thought that an educational institute in the U.S.A can be allowed
to be up and running with so many complaints, ethics, morals violations, and
educational deception and fraud.
Do not forget at ITT TECH you are not a student you are only a "start number".
ITT TEC is the nastiest
business on earth, it's not a school, and this institute runs by animals the
only concern of these animals in the HQ is to increase profits and do not care
about students or education.
But I did find some help with the Accrediting Council for Independent Colleges
and Schools, please please and please send your complains to
Or call Ms. Shameka Erby,
(Complaints Coordinator at ACICS) (202) 336-6849
This is our last hope.
FROM WEB MASTER:
have not verified the above link or e-mail address.
your research before making contact.